Whose idea was windows
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I can no longer move files in a directory in the order i want them, similar to what this user posted:
Windows 7 a step backward in some places.. yes, I agree.
One area where I found the user was robbed of choice is the option to uncheck auto-arrange in folder views. This option which was available in all previous windows versions allows one to drag a frequently used file or folder to the side or corner of the window to work with. You cant do that any more in Win7! It snaps back into the grid!
The thing that gets me is that MS seems to have thought of every conceivable way of arranging files in the details list (I think over a 100 selections) except manual or non auto arrangement!!
I see no reason why users were robbed of this important choice in arranging their files/folders esp since we have had that choice in all previous windows versions and where many of us may have gotten used to it.
Because of this, now I can’t arrange things the way I want them, please change this
Whose idea was windows
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I can no longer move files in a directory in the order i want them, similar to what this user posted:
Windows 7 a step backward in some places.. yes, I agree.
One area where I found the user was robbed of choice is the option to uncheck auto-arrange in folder views. This option which was available in all previous windows versions allows one to drag a frequently used file or folder to the side or corner of the window to work with. You cant do that any more in Win7! It snaps back into the grid!
The thing that gets me is that MS seems to have thought of every conceivable way of arranging files in the details list (I think over a 100 selections) except manual or non auto arrangement!!
I see no reason why users were robbed of this important choice in arranging their files/folders esp since we have had that choice in all previous windows versions and where many of us may have gotten used to it.
Because of this, now I can’t arrange things the way I want them, please change this
Windows 7: Whose idea was it really?
Watching the Windows 7 ads from around the world, it’s interesting to see characters in different countries claiming that the new operating system is their idea.
In many countries around the world, there are people who have come out and claimed Windows 7 as being their idea.
Microsoft chose to reveal in its new advertising that the operating system is one that came about because the people demanded it, because the people created it.
And in the process, they hope Windows becomes the people’s brand rather than their injury-prone Elton brand.
Yet, as the week of the launch winds down and the hard graft of daily selling begins, it seems instructive to examine just a couple of nuances in the campaign.
Here are two spots, one from Australia and one from the U.S. Both feature individuals who claim that the Snap feature of Windows 7 was their idea.
In the U.S. version, we see Jack, who seems to be a slob. Baggy t-shirt, baggy jeans and, who knows, a baggie in one of the pockets.
Jack claims he had the idea for Snap in the shower. Jack wears his glasses in the shower.
Jack’s wife is glumly tolerant and reveals that not only did Jack immediately inform Microsoft of his fine solution, but that he also had to tell his mother. Being American, it seems, means having issues.
By contrast, there’s Kevin. Kevin is an Australian who claims that it was, in fact, he who invented the Snap feature.
Kevin is seated in a rather nice waterfront cafe. His shirt is pressed, his gaze determined. Kevin reveals that he got an early look at the streamlined Windows 7 and this forced him to cogitate to great depths.
Unlike Jack, who thinks naked in the shower, Kevin thinks topless on the beach. And the thought he had was «streamlinier.» Yes, a new word to define just how much more streamlined Windows 7 is with the Snap feature.
Kevin is so convinced of his genius that he believes the product should have been called Windows Kevin.
So which of them do you believe? Was it Jack’s idea? Or Kevin’s?
Is Windows 7 the invention of a slobby chap whose first thought is to tell his mother how clever he is? Or is it the creation of the rather slick Kevin who believes not only that he is rather clever, but that the product should bear his name?
The Ordinary Joe or the Extraordinary Egotist? Which of those encapsulates Windows 7 best?
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How utterly ridiculous this is. Giant step backward.
I do not need «apps» or a tablet user interface running on my servers. My god this is terrible, and I hope it’s removed before RTM.
- Changed type Arthur_Li Microsoft contingent staff Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:07 AM
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it works with Windows 8 and I’m pretty sure it works with Windows Server 2012. I will try tomorrow
Arnaud Buonaccorsi — GSX Corp
http://www.buenoflex.com
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About 1 month ago, I downloaded the free ebook «Introducing Windows Server 2012». In this book, I got some ideas from Corey hynes’s article, «Managing servers without the Metro start menu». It just makes me to think this «dumb idea» from another side.
Here is the link for the free ebook, I hope it help to you to understand the «dumb idea».
Keywords for search: Managing servers without the Metro start menu
Personaly speaking, I think it will take some time for me to understand this «dumb idea».
Best Regards,
Huajun Gu
After I watched the video «Richard St. John’s 8 secrets of success» on TED.com, I learned this: «Being good at your job is not enough, you should be damn good at it.»
Yeah, I think we need to go back to Hollerith cards for input. Or better yet, let’s just use the switches on the console to enter hex characters. This idea of changing the user interface every few years has got to stop. Real engineers like to stay, close to the machine. I’ve had to move from switches to cards or paper tape to electric typewriters, to CRTs, to GUIs. And with GUIs it became hopeless. Everyone thought they had a better idea, so I have lost track of how many different GUIs I have had to endure. Why, oh why does technology have to keep changing? The slide rule still works great; who needs a computer for calculations?
Time to remove my tongue from my cheek.
Yeah, I think we need to go back to Hollerith cards for input. Or better yet, let’s just use the switches on the console to enter hex characters. This idea of changing the user interface every few years has got to stop. Real engineers like to stay, close to the machine. I’ve had to move from switches to cards or paper tape to electric typewriters, to CRTs, to GUIs. And with GUIs it became hopeless. Everyone thought they had a better idea, so I have lost track of how many different GUIs I have had to endure. Why, oh why does technology have to keep changing? The slide rule still works great; who needs a computer for calculations?
Time to remove my tongue from my cheek.
The change from cards to command line and then to a basic gui, while a fundamental change, actually made our jobs easier to some degree. And the fact the MS seems to be in love with Powershell makes that functionality available to those of us who like to go that route.
And the Windows 95/NT/2003 interface was actually intuitive, 2008, while it was a change, was at least usable.
This new Metro UI business is a steamy pile of horse dung that has no place on a server. It’s a server, not a tablet. We are professionals, not 14 year old kids with mom’s iPad.
Getting back to UI changes, we went through a pretty significant UI change from NT3.5 to NT4. a positive change. The UI was much easier to use. From NT4 to 2000, again, a big change, but we gained quite a bit of functionality. 2000 to 2003 was virtually no change from a UI perspective. 2008 was another big change, however at that point, it was counterproductive. We had to re-learn «where stuff was», what went where. It was a square peg in a round hole, but once you got used to it, you could at least use it. This 2012, I am flabbergasted. Like someone else said in another thread about «Where is the shutdown button», someone said, and I thought it was perfect «this highlights one of the things that is is so fundamentally flawed with this UI».
I think Windows 8 is going to go over about as well as Vista did. Thank god we dont have to use the console on a server too often.
it works with Windows 8 and I’m pretty sure it works with Windows Server 2012. I will try tomorrow
Arnaud Buonaccorsi — GSX Corp
http://www.buenoflex.com
http://www.gsx.com
This new Metro UI business is a steamy pile of horse dung that has no place on a server. It’s a server, not a tablet. We are professionals, not 14 year old kids with mom’s iPad.
I remember similar complaints when WindowsNT came along: «A server with a GUI, what a crime. We don’t want a freakin’ GUI on a server!». It’s the same every time the GUI changes. The Windowsxp/2003 interface may be intuitive now, but when it was introduced there was again an outcry about the new bloated interface, and that the old Win9x/NT/2k interface was so much better (it wasn’t). It’s remarkable that in an industry where change is a natural property many people are so reluctant and inflexible.
Oh, and I guess probably only 14 year old kids believe that using a non-graphical interface is a distinction of a professional. It isn’t. In fact, the choice of administration interface is utterly irrelevant. Even more, a real IT professional would very likely be a bit more open minded and give new things a try without prejudice. And then use what fits him best.
Metro is certainly a change but after using (I mean really using) it I have to say I really like it. Yes, on a non-touch desktop monitor. I admit that I didn’t expect to like it but I do. And at least in my environment I mostly get similar reactions from others.
And if you don’t like it then don’t use it. As you say there are other ways to admin Server 2012.
As many others I fell your pain. I am not necessarily against UI change but the
Metro (non-Metro) UI is, in my humble opinion, not really suited to server management. At the end of the day it is mostly a touch screen thing. and it really lacks discoverability. To impose it on the desktop is a big gambit but to force it on IT staff is really suicidal in my book.
Have you or anyone else at Microsoft actually tried using this new interface on a server the way things are done in a real-world datacenter? I connect to all of my servers using RDP with several open at one time, so they are not full-screen or I use VM tools which do not allow for full-screen. Go ahead and try this out. Try hovering and clicking in the corner when it is not the physical corner of a monitor. This is a major design flaw for the server UI. I’ve had to tell my CIO that we can’t move our servers to Windows 2012 when we install SQL 2012 and TFS 2012, and eventually SharePoint 2013 because of this one simple UI design flaw. While I’ve found the UI to be acceptable on a laptop or desktop, it’s simply unusable on a server.
And the executives are already not happy with Microsoft because some sales guy tried to push Lync at a SharePoint demo even after the sales guy was told don’t mention it because they just dropped major money on new Cisco IP phones. These kinds of things never happened when Bill Gates was still around. Even Ballmer used to get it — http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg — even if he did have a little to much coffee. Did someone finally lock Raymond Chen in a closet and throw away the key?
Seriously, someone needs to get this fixed quickly, and Sinofsky needs to get SP1 out the door quickly with the old Aero UI included. The one thing that i could always count on from Microsoft was backwards compatibility. Things got a little shaky with the change to .NET, but not like this. My servers are not tablets and they never will be. Same thing for developer laptops. Apple and Google understand this, why not Microsoft? Thanks in advance for fixing this design flaw quickly.
//My servers are not tablets and they never will be.//
Metro UI on Server 2012 — it’s very bad idea, i need style like »server», not like »tablets».
Your wish is granted!
Yes, change is harder for some that for others. At first I was not too happy with the change, but now that I have starting finding out the power that is available with Server Manager, the tiled interface has become very little of an issue. If you want to treat like a ‘real server’, install it without the GUI and put RSAT on Windows 8. Once you start using the Server Manager and PowerShell as they are meant to be used, you soon hardly notice the tiles. And, just like with 2008, I got so used to clicking Start and typing in a search string that I nearly forgot where everything was in the Start menu. Same capability exists in 2012. Only, instead of clicking Start (or typing the Windows key) and typing in the search string, simply type Windows key + Q and start typing the search string. I almost never use the tiles anymore.
I haven’t something wrong about powershell, but GUI is more informative. But METRO is ******* GUI, it’s good for touch tablets, but for servers? It’s so wrong, that for administration we wanna «old» interface? It’s so hard to make option, that can disable Metro?
You can also use Minimal Server Interface if you want to remove the shell altogether. You can then manage the machine via GUI (if you’d like to) using Server Manager or RSAT tools from a Windows 8 client.
—Joseph [MSFT] http://blogs.technet.com/b/joscon/
You can also use Minimal Server Interface if you want to remove the shell altogether. You can then manage the machine via GUI (if you’d like to) using Server Manager or RSAT tools from a Windows 8 client.
—Joseph [MSFT] http://blogs.technet.com/b/joscon/
Or better yet, just give us the ability to disable Metro. Problem solved without wonky remote «Windows 8»-only client based solutions.
What is this NetWare all over again where we have to manage our servers via remote tools? I swear this was called «Windows Server 2012» and not «PowerShell Server 2012», «Tablet Server 2012» or «Remote-managed-only Server 2012». Perhaps Microsoft just needs to ditch the «Windows» name if we aren’t going to be running the windows GUI anymore.
And you still have those options. The default installation type for Server 2012 is actually Server Core and not the Gui version of the operating system. So you have three options:
- No shell = Server Core
- Minimal shell = Minimal User Interface
- «Full» shell = Server with Gui
You don’t have to use Windows 8’s «wonky» client based tools, you can use a full gui version of Server to manage your environment as well if you like, I was just giving out the options. As Tim said earlier, use the new interface, you might find that its not as bad as you think (and if it is, now you know you can always remove it 🙂
—Joseph [MSFT] http://blogs.technet.com/b/joscon/
Have you or anyone else at Microsoft actually tried using this new interface on a server the way things are done in a real-world datacenter? I connect to all of my servers using RDP with several open at one time, so they are not full-screen or I use VM tools which do not allow for full-screen. Go ahead and try this out. Try hovering and clicking in the corner when it is not the physical corner of a monitor. This is a major design flaw for the server UI. I’ve had to tell my CIO that we can’t move our servers to Windows 2012 when we install SQL 2012 and TFS 2012, and eventually SharePoint 2013 because of this one simple UI design flaw. While I’ve found the UI to be acceptable on a laptop or desktop, it’s simply unusable on a server.
And the executives are already not happy with Microsoft because some sales guy tried to push Lync at a SharePoint demo even after the sales guy was told don’t mention it because they just dropped major money on new Cisco IP phones. These kinds of things never happened when Bill Gates was still around. Even Ballmer used to get it — http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg — even if he did have a little to much coffee. Did someone finally lock Raymond Chen in a closet and throw away the key?
Seriously, someone needs to get this fixed quickly, and Sinofsky needs to get SP1 out the door quickly with the old Aero UI included. The one thing that i could always count on from Microsoft was backwards compatibility. Things got a little shaky with the change to .NET, but not like this. My servers are not tablets and they never will be. Same thing for developer laptops. Apple and Google understand this, why not Microsoft? Thanks in advance for fixing this design flaw quickly.
